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Post by Whitedwarf on Oct 15, 2008 17:36:51 GMT -5
Seriously, did the Overlord ever need to show super strength? The guy can blast holes through a wall--he doesn't need to throw a punch like He-Man. Besides, he's got minions to do his dirty work for him. True. |
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Post by metaldragon on Oct 15, 2008 21:31:10 GMT -5
Well he has dueled a bit with Blackstar and they seemed fairly evenly matched. I'm sure the Overlord could enhance his physical strength with his own magic if he wanted to.
I disagree that John would have more will power than Mara or Klone. They are natural magic users and to control those forces must take a lot of will power. They were also the leaders of the rebellion before John crashed the party so I don't think that is a factor. I believe Blackstar had certain heroic qualities that resonated with the Starsword which is why it bonded with him. What those are, only the Starsword itself knows! lol!
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Post by zimraphel on Oct 15, 2008 22:20:31 GMT -5
I stand by my original theory that it's a natural ability to look hot in furry underwear and spout crappy one-liners that got John the job.
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Post by metaldragon on Oct 15, 2008 22:41:38 GMT -5
lol! That's awesome zimraphel! That gets my vote too.
On a more serious note, I expect it was the fact that he was a stranger to their world and really didn't HAVE to pick sides yet decided to help them out anyway that may have been the deciding factor. The old phrase about the best leaders being those who have power thrust upon them that don't want it springs to mind.
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Post by danbrenus on Oct 16, 2008 8:54:46 GMT -5
Well he has dueled a bit with Blackstar and they seemed fairly evenly matched. I'm sure the Overlord could enhance his physical strength with his own magic if he wanted to. I disagree that John would have more will power than Mara or Klone. They are natural magic users and to control those forces must take a lot of will power. They were also the leaders of the rebellion before John crashed the party so I don't think that is a factor. I believe Blackstar had certain heroic qualities that resonated with the Starsword which is why it bonded with him. What those are, only the Starsword itself knows! lol! True, but be real, when was the last time you've seen some act of Klone saving the day? And is Mara even a match for Overlord? As I see it, even whitout the Starsword John wuold have been a real upgrade and a natural leader (like some Flash Gordon I remember...) of a rebellion that whitout him would end in nothing. Just my opinion.. |
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Post by Whitedwarf on Oct 16, 2008 9:34:13 GMT -5
It's undeniable that John got charisma, wit and brains to lead the rebellion and even turn that into a more cohesive force than before.  We're discussing about his "bond" with the Starsword... I still think there's something in Blackstar that "resonates" with the Starsword and vice versa. MAYBE, the stuff the Starsword is made of comes from our universe, or even a THIRD universe. |
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Post by metaldragon on Oct 16, 2008 17:11:22 GMT -5
There is no evidence of where the metal the PowerStar was forged out of comes from. The only hint is in the name of the weapon itself, implying that it's made of "star metal" (probably from a meteorite). Since it is an extremely rare and powerful magic artifact and the Overlord couldn't just forge himself another, one can infer that it was created long ago by the Ancients who left ruins of cities like Tamboreon lying about.
Speculation about other universes is pointless. I think it is probably from the "ancient, alien" universe that Sagar is in or possibly it might have come through the "black hole" that links the universe Earth is in with the Sagar one.
To take it a step further, it's fun to speculate that the Ancients who left artifacts and cities on Sagar might have traveled through the same wormhole and ended up forging He-Man and She-Ra's swords as well as the ancient, talking sword that bonded with He-Man's. Were all of these swords forged from the same type of metal...? Unknown. Very fun!
Since the race of beak faced aliens that Overlord uses as his Palace Guard also appeared in an episode of He-Man, and dragon type creatures similar to Warlock appeared in another episode, it's possible the Ancients transported them between Sagar and Eternia. Again, simply fun speculation.
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Post by metaldragon on Oct 16, 2008 17:24:31 GMT -5
True, but be real, when was the last time you've seen some act of Klone saving the day? And is Mara even a match for Overlord? As I see it, even whitout the Starsword John wuold have been a real upgrade and a natural leader (like some Flash Gordon I remember...) of a rebellion that whitout him would end in nothing. Just my opinion.. I wasn't saying they were better leaders than Blackstar or a match for the Overlord(!), they just use more "will power" in order to control magic, much more than your average astronaut would use on an every day basis. I suspect they were much more of an underground resistance movement before John dropped in on them and started stirring things up. |
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Post by Whitedwarf on Oct 17, 2008 7:38:21 GMT -5
There is no evidence of where the metal the PowerStar was forged out of comes from. The only hint is in the name of the weapon itself, implying that it's made of "star metal" (probably from a meteorite). Since it is an extremely rare and powerful magic artifact and the Overlord couldn't just forge himself another, one can infer that it was created long ago by the Ancients who left ruins of cities like Tamboreon lying about. Speculation about other universes is pointless. I think it is probably from the "ancient, alien" universe that Sagar is in or possibly it might have come through the "black hole" that links the universe Earth is in with the Sagar one. 1- Jay, congrats. It never occurred to me that the "name" would be a straight reference to the origin. 2- Other universes: the Powerstar and its halves are "independent sources of power" and don't tap into the "shared" parallel plane where magic (on Sagar) is stored. So I still think that the meteorite didn't belong to that universe. Just my guess. |
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Post by danbrenus on Oct 17, 2008 9:00:51 GMT -5
Since the race of beak faced aliens that Overlord uses as his Palace Guard also appeared in an episode of He-Man, and dragon type creatures similar to Warlock appeared in another episode, it's possible the Ancients transported them between Sagar and Eternia. Again, simply fun speculation. Where? When? What? I've never noticed it! More info, I have to know! Oh, and by the way, great observer MD... |
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Post by metaldragon on Oct 17, 2008 9:48:25 GMT -5
There is no evidence of where the metal the PowerStar was forged out of comes from. The only hint is in the name of the weapon itself, implying that it's made of "star metal" (probably from a meteorite). Since it is an extremely rare and powerful magic artifact and the Overlord couldn't just forge himself another, one can infer that it was created long ago by the Ancients who left ruins of cities like Tamboreon lying about. Speculation about other universes is pointless. I think it is probably from the "ancient, alien" universe that Sagar is in or possibly it might have come through the "black hole" that links the universe Earth is in with the Sagar one. 1- Jay, congrats. It never occurred to me that the "name" would be a straight reference to the origin. 2- Other universes: the Powerstar and its halves are "independent sources of power" and don't tap into the "shared" parallel plane where magic (on Sagar) is stored. So I still think the meteorite didn't belong to that universe. Just my guess. Just because the PowerStar probably doesn't tap into the magic field of Sagar doesn't mean it has to come from another universe. Meteors are space debris. By nature they don't come from the planet they crash on. Other planets in the same universe could have a stronger, weaker, or even no magic field to tap into compared to Sagar. I find the use of the word "universe" interesting. The dictionary tells us: Universe n. 1. All matter and energy, including the earth, the galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space, regarded as a whole. 2. 1. The earth together with all its inhabitants and created things. 2. The human race. 3. The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place. 4. Logic. See universe of discourse. 5. Statistics. See population (sense 5). [Middle English, from Old French univers, from Latin ūniversum, from neuter of ūniversus, whole : ūnus, one + versus, past participle of vertere, to turn.] In the context of the opening theme to the show, the first definition is the one that applies. Since the word universe pretty much means "all that is", to have another universe can really only mean a parallel one, "sideways in time" as they say in Doctor Who.  Since the universe containing Sagar is also "ancient", the point in time where it split from the universe containing Earth could have been as far back as the big bang itself for all we know. We have no method to measure the size of the universe. You might as well say it's infinite. The metal of the StarSword doesn't NEED to come from another universe when even another planet in the same universe could have totally different magic field. |
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Post by zimraphel on Oct 17, 2008 15:26:47 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, he must have some enhanced pulmonary capability since he can fly (while riding on Warlock) through the higher strata of atmosphere without loosing breath. Much likely, his senses are hyper-keen. You're reading too much into this. The fact is, Filmation used stock footage for everything. They didn't stop and draw new character cels just to put a parka on somebody because they were in the snow. And they didn't stop to draw an oxygen mask for a character flying high up (though I highly doubt Blackstar was flying above two or three thousand feet, where he wouldn't need it). Remember that Warlock isn't even drawn with a saddle. The animators and writers just didn't give that kind of attention to detail. So these conjectures have nothing to do with any intended super-power; the only one actually written into the show was super-strength. That's it. Period. |
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Post by metaldragon on Oct 17, 2008 17:27:14 GMT -5
Since the race of beak faced aliens that Overlord uses as his Palace Guard also appeared in an episode of He-Man, and dragon type creatures similar to Warlock appeared in another episode, it's possible the Ancients transported them between Sagar and Eternia. Again, simply fun speculation. Where? When? What? I've never noticed it! More info, I have to know! Oh, and by the way, great observer MD... Hey, thanks man. I think the episode with the re-coloured Warlock style dragons was mentioned in the liner notes of the Blackstar DVD set. I don't remember the name of the He-Man episode with the race of beak-faced aliens who guard Overlord's Ice Palace, but it was an episode set on a distant jungle island where He-Man has to battle a huge guy who is nearly as strong as he is. There's also a evil "African queen" type woman who was forcing them to fight if I remember correctly. The beak faced aliens turned up for a moment to get their asses kicked. Hey Zim, do you know which one I'm talking about? |
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Post by Whitedwarf on Oct 17, 2008 18:12:14 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, he must have some enhanced pulmonary capability since he can fly (while riding on Warlock) through the higher strata of atmosphere without loosing breath. Much likely, his senses are hyper-keen. So these conjectures have nothing to do with any intended super-power; the only one actually written into the show was super-strength. That's it. Period. Making conjectures is funny. PERIOD.  PLUS, mine are not too weird for a character like Blackstar, powered by magic. |
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Post by Whitedwarf on Oct 17, 2008 18:16:23 GMT -5
metaldragon: I agree, "universe" is meant as "parallel set of existence". And by pondering the word "ancient", I've always assumed that Sagar's universe is OLDER than ours. So we belong to the "splinter" universe, if something.
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Since the universe containing Sagar is also "ancient", the point in time where it split from the universe containing Earth could have been as far back as the big bang itself for all we know. We have no method to measure the size of the universe. You might as well say it's infinite. The metal of the StarSword doesn't NEED to come from another universe when even another planet in the same universe could have totally different magic field.