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Post by Whitedwarf on Feb 18, 2007 19:39:42 GMT -5
Hi Trobbits,
It's time to rationalize the magic issue on planet Sagar. Since we're talking about a parallel universe, it seems to me that their definition of "magic" could be (slightly or heavily) different from ours.
Basically, we have three characters who use magic in its purest manifestation:
1- Balkar.
2- Mara.
3- Overlord.
What is their magic able to do, according to evidence on-screen? How does it work, basically? What's the physical manifestation of this magic?
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Post by coinilius on Feb 18, 2007 20:18:09 GMT -5
Well, going by The Overlord's Big Spell, magic on Sagar seems to be a natural resource, much like oxygen or water. It seems like some kind of energy source that people are able to channel and manipulate.
Mara's also the only one shown to be physically effected when Overlord starts draining Sagar's magic (if I remember correctly), while Balkar's spells just stop working.
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Post by rhea on Feb 18, 2007 20:55:12 GMT -5
Balkar would fall to me under the magic category of "sorceror" instead of wizard (which is how I categorize Overlord & Mara). Sorcerors traditionally utilize the magic in nature and their surroundings rather than the magic inherent in their own beings. This can be seen for instance when Balkar utilizes a potion to make the Sagar tree invulnerable to the attack in the Zombie episode. On a side note, this is my first post here.....glad to finally see a Blackstar messageboard!  |
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Post by coinilius on Feb 18, 2007 21:04:37 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, Rhea  That's how I would describe Balkar as well - he seems to manipulate the magic around him using spells, rather than having innate magical abilities like Mara. |
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Post by Whitedwarf on Feb 19, 2007 18:37:15 GMT -5
Rhea, welcome aboard! 
Well, a few times ago I proposed an excerpt for the Blackstar WIKI article which basically exposed the "unified magic field theory". Useless to say, it was erased. 
In my mind, magic on Sagar is rather an unlimited immaterial energy ammassed into a parallel plane. It seems that some "Wizards" (as Rhea pointed out) are able to tap into the dimensional pocket, at the same time acting as human filters between the two dimensions.
In the process, they can channel the energy and perform metahuman actions: thus, interacting with the physical reality.
Not all of them are fully-absorbing filters, even; Balkar needs the "help" of potions and other mediums to focuse his spontaneous ability of drawing the energy from the plane.
What I'm trying to say is that magic on Sagar is an energy, and that all the magic-user individuals are linked to that same energy.
Maybe that's what the POWERSTAR (as well as its splinter derivations) is: a catalyst of some sort. I doubt the weapon taps ONLY into the Sagarese parallel plane, because it is known as an universal artifact, not strictly related to that planet.
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Post by metaldragon on Sept 17, 2008 16:43:07 GMT -5
In City of the Ancient Ones Mara describes Balkar's powers as "elemental" magic and boosts his magic with her own to calm a sandstorm the Overlord creates. Elemental magic refers to the classic 4 elements: Earth, Air, Fire, and Water.
Looking at the Trobbits, each seems to relate to a different element: Rif- Fire, Gossamear- Air, Terra- Earth (living plants) & Carpo- Earth (wood, metal, stone), Burble- Water (he froze when the river did, his name is also the classic sound brooks make. lol!) & Poulo also seems to have a connection with Water- he was effected by the pond poison, tends to steer their (water) boats, but his whistling is also classic Air. Balkar is probably their leader because he is balanced in all 4 elements and can combine them to create different magic effects.
Mara's magic is more personal and is probably tied into the 'pure' magic of Sagar before it's filtered through the "elements" of Earth, Water, Fire, and Air. She is most often seen levitating things and I'm sure she's been around for "centuries" because of the magic she channels. Klone probably also channels the pure magic of Sagar to transform his body.
The PowerStar is probably made of star metal and isn't connected to the magic of Sagar like Mara is and isn't a native element of the planet and therefore not tied into the elemental magic the Trobbits can use.
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Post by Whitedwarf on Sept 17, 2008 16:57:03 GMT -5
MetalDragon, excellent! Excellent! That's what I was looking for by opening this thread... HUGE thanks. 1- Maybe Burble is connected to ice, not water (I know, ice is just a different physical stadium of water, but I hate the idea Burble and Poulo have similar powers). 2- Are you saying that Mara is immortal? I don't think so. Are there additional clues to support your thesis? 3- Agreed on Klone. He is somehow an "unconscious" magic user, in the way his body absorbs the primary magic of Sagar and manipulate itself on a molecular level. Fascinating. 4- There's a thread (written by me) on the Powerstar's "secret" origin you might like! I'll bump it. |
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Post by metaldragon on Sept 17, 2008 18:25:14 GMT -5
No, I don't believe Mara is immortal but she is probably at least 300 years old. In City of the Ancient Ones she says that she was allies with Amber "centuries ago". Overlord also says that Amber had been trapped in the magic ice crystal for "centuries" which supports that statement.
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Post by Whitedwarf on Sept 17, 2008 18:42:59 GMT -5
No, I don't believe Mara is immortal but she is probably at least 300 years old. In City of the Ancient Ones she says that she was allies with Amber "centuries ago". Overlord also says that Amber had been trapped in the magic ice crystal for "centuries" which supports that statement. Longevity. That's clear. I love the term you conied... "High Elf". Do you think her longevity comes from magic? Or is it a common trait of the race she belongs to?  |
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Post by metaldragon on Sept 18, 2008 11:03:27 GMT -5
I suspect her race is long lived to begin with and magic users of her power level probably live even longer but this is just speculation on my part, really.
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Post by Whitedwarf on Sept 18, 2008 11:15:57 GMT -5
I suspect her race is long lived to begin with and magic users of her power level probably live even longer but this is just speculation on my part, really. I got the feeling that it's about her race. |
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Post by metaldragon on Sept 20, 2008 11:51:53 GMT -5
The Emerald Knight looks like she's of the "high elf" race of Sagar yet she's agreed to work for Overlord in exchange for armour that makes her young again. She's a warrior and doesn't seem to be able to channel magic herself, instead relying on magic weapons and armour made for her. Age didn't seem to bestow wisdom on her which leads me to suspect that Mara's ability to channel magic has extended her longevity and lifespan beyond the average member of her race who has less magic ability than her.
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Post by Whitedwarf on Sept 20, 2008 13:49:55 GMT -5
The Emerald Knight looks like she's of the "high elf" race of Sagar yet she's agreed to work for Overlord in exchange for armour that makes her young again. She's a warrior and doesn't seem to be able to channel magic herself, instead relying on magic weapons and armour made for her. Age didn't seem to bestow wisdom on her which leads me to suspect that Mara's ability to channel magic has extended her longevity and lifespan beyond the average member of her race who has less magic ability than her. This is actually a very good insight, Dragon. So it's not only about longevity, but aging process as well. Mara's body seemed to have been "slowed down". It makes me wonder: what if a romantic relationship between her and Blackstar should develope in the following years? That factor could create an unbeareable discrepancy. Maybe Mara would "disconnect" herself from the primary magic source in order to normally age again... but that doesn't change the fact that Blackstar's lifespan is human.  |
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Post by metaldragon on Sept 20, 2008 16:33:36 GMT -5
I just re-watched "The Quest" and noticed that the Emerald Knight looks more like the Amazon Queen Storm than Mara. Her eyes are smaller and more "human" looking even though she has the same ears as Mara & Klone. Hm.. still, not all of Mara's race has the same power level. Prince Dal's magic isn't as strong as hers and we don't even see Princess Loweena do any magic in "The Zombie Masters".
Speaking of Storm, she doesn't seem to have any magic at all and pretty much looks human. Looks like there are more than 3 intelligent, humanoid races on Sagar. Not sure if all of them are native though! The Overlord's beak-faced Palace Guards appeared in an episode of He-man. Hmmm. Must watch the episodes again.
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Post by Whitedwarf on Sept 20, 2008 18:38:57 GMT -5
Again... Overlord's features might identify a fourth race, because he looks a bit different to Mara. Or not? I think Mara's powers come from her personal degree of knowledge combined with a certain genetic potential... in fact, I bet her race is not commonly magic-powered. She - and some others - may be the "deviants". You should open a new thread about the various races of "High Elves". Write an essay! Anyway: 1- Mara's race. 2- Klone's race. 3- Storm's race. 4- Overlord's race ( ). |
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