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Post by Whitedwarf on Nov 8, 2008 14:33:29 GMT -5
In my mind, Blackstar has been on Sagar for two years (or at least one year and 6 months) before Katana would "retrace" his steps - that's when you mean the episode "Spacewrecked" as being firmly placed in the middle of the series or as a virtual season finale.
For instance, it took some time for Blackstar to learn using the Starsword, speaking Sagarese and then forming a bond with Warlock... and so on... and on...
What's your guess?
Besides, Blackstar comes from future, our future. Which year? What's your bet?
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Post by metaldragon on Nov 8, 2008 15:51:02 GMT -5
Good question. If the Earth that John came from is the same one that Marlena came from in Masters of the Universe we might be able to figure out the year if they referred to it in He-Man or She-Ra at any point. Marlena had been on Eternia for roughly 20 years give or take (if Adam is 17-19 years old or so in the series and Randall courted her for a while)... Say the events shown in the Blackstar series take place a year or so before the first episode of He-Man... That's not too difficult to calculate.
I like to think that Blackstar may have been a cadet when Marlena disappeared into the depths of space or heard about her disappearance when he was in training. Just a bit of fun fan speculation.
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Post by Whitedwarf on Nov 8, 2008 16:24:58 GMT -5
Jay,
It seems like Blackstar is somewhat of a "legend" in He-Man's universe (which is ours). At a given point of the Filmation MOTU series, you can see a statue reproducing Blackstar among the Elders's ancient artifacts... or something along those lines).
Since Sagar is set in an universe different from Earth/Eternia's one - an "ancient alien universe" - we can easily assume that John comes from Marlena's future (his ship seems more advanced and Marlena has always been referred as the "first female astronaut" engaged in interstellar missions), but time in Sagar's universe flows in a different way. Basically, John's trip through the Black Hole was a space/time journey. Sagar's present time is our past time.
Katana came back to her ORIGIN time because her ship was a space-time vehicle apt to deal with warp discrepancies (do you remember?).
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Post by metaldragon on Nov 8, 2008 17:26:26 GMT -5
Uh... If you re-read my post, I said that Marlena ended up on Eternia before John made his trip through the black hole. Probably around 15 years before he did! Nothing I wrote contradicts what you've just written.
Now, that statue is interesting... My theory is that it was hidden in that treasure hoard by a tomb robber thief. It doesn't necessarily have to be an ancient statue.
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Post by zimraphel on Nov 8, 2008 17:47:42 GMT -5
Um, the only thing a black hole is going to do to you is stretch you out into infinity. John went into a wormhole. Since his contact with our side is limited, time might flow differently. Two years could pass there, while only a week here.
In my stories, I have John on Sagar for a year before he gets the Starsword, and even then he's still struggling to learn Sagarese. Having an entire world's geopolitical history info-dumped in his lap isn't going to help.
At the time of The Night Serpent, he's in his forties, and has been on Sagar roughly fifteen years.
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Post by coinilius on Nov 8, 2008 21:22:15 GMT -5
Of course Katana has no problems understanding anyone when she ends up on Sagar, so I don't think it would have taken Blackstar long to pick up the language Not that that has much to do with figuring out the timeline...
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Post by Whitedwarf on Nov 9, 2008 7:26:21 GMT -5
Of course Katana has no problems understanding anyone when she ends up on Sagar, so I don't think it would have taken Blackstar long to pick up the language Not that that has much to do with figuring out the timeline... Good point, I've always assumed that: 1) Trobbits, Mara and Klone had been teached English by John himself long before Katana's arrival and/or 2) Overlord used magic to "get" what Katana said. Is it a good theory?
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Post by Whitedwarf on Nov 9, 2008 7:27:22 GMT -5
Now, that statue is interesting... My theory is that it was hidden in that treasure hoard by a tomb robber thief. It doesn't necessarily have to be an ancient statue. Wow, right. Fact is, I don't remember this MOTU episode at all.
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Post by metaldragon on Nov 9, 2008 13:55:54 GMT -5
Sounds like a job for... Zimraphael! Hey Zim, which episode was the Blackstar statue in again? My memory is like a cluttered attic sometimes.
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Post by metaldragon on Nov 9, 2008 14:14:35 GMT -5
Of course Katana has no problems understanding anyone when she ends up on Sagar, so I don't think it would have taken Blackstar long to pick up the language Not that that has much to do with figuring out the timeline... Good point, I've always assumed that: 1) Trobbits, Mara and Klone were teached English by John himself long before Katana's arrival and/or 2) Overlord used magic to "get" what Katana said. Is it good like theory? I suspect Mara used magic to give Blackstar the basics of the Sagar language. Probably the Overlord (or his Vizier) did the same to Katana.
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Post by zimraphel on Nov 9, 2008 14:35:55 GMT -5
Sounds like a job for... Zimraphel! Hey Zim, which episode was the Blackstar statue in again? My memory is like a cluttered attic sometimes. Temple of the Sun.
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Post by coinilius on Nov 10, 2008 0:45:41 GMT -5
Magic would be the best bet, I suppose, especially from a narrative point of view - imagine if they ever did do an origin of Blackstar story, I doubt Filmation would have spent much time on the langauge issue. In fact, they probably wouldn't have addressed it at all
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Post by Whitedwarf on Nov 10, 2008 10:18:59 GMT -5
WELL, I was the first one to suggest that, speaking about the Overlord! ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL.
Fact is, we don't really know to what extent Sagarese magic can work on brains. It would be possible.
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Post by metaldragon on Nov 10, 2008 13:50:40 GMT -5
Sounds like a job for... Zimraphel! Hey Zim, which episode was the Blackstar statue in again? My memory is like a cluttered attic sometimes. Temple of the Sun. That's the one! Thanks Zim! You saved the day again. ;D
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Post by metaldragon on Nov 10, 2008 13:56:10 GMT -5
WELL, I was the first one to suggest that, speaking about the Overlord! ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL. Fact is, we don't really know to what extent Sagarese magic can work on brains. It would be possible. We've seen Mara use telepathy so giving John the basics of the main language of Sagar shouldn't be too hard for her.
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